Podcast 4: Amok New Season

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Space, the final frontier these are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise its five-year mission to explore new worlds to seek out new life and new civilizations to boldly go where no man has gone before here we go so okay welcome to jail watches Star Trek for the first time I'm in Salt Lake and I'm Jon Madsen hello everybody I'm a junior Fillmore and I'm in Honolulu Hawaii hello how's the weather over there it's nice it's a I don't know probably in 78 degrees today wouldn't be kinda dining for you if the weather wasn't that great every once in a while during the the winter we get a lot of rain so that's good but um it would have been a real nice day to go to the beach hmm well that doesn't matter Jon because what's most important is that I'm here with you talking about Star Trek a new low point in your life instead of Hawaii you're talking to me about Star Trek that's right Pleasant valve got the kids off doing a some kind of crazy sports activity that I've decided to not be a part of so our family's not together anyway okay no that sounds good to me hey we had a homework assignment remember from last time didn't we decided we were going to figure out what the colors of the uniforms meant because it couldn't quite figure it out because it didn't quite make any sense do you do any of that did you do any research I'm gonna say yes I did Jon but I would like to hear what you learned first okay that's a good strategy I actually found out that it's exactly what we thought that scientists and medical is blue and then the tan ones are like the administrative and and then engineering security is red and but also command like Kirk's command apparently some of the early uniforms are actually green but they look kind of tan or gold or whatever but they're hard to tell apart so it doesn't matter but that didn't really answer my my question because that's I mean we already came to that conclusion but the whole reason I brought it up in the first place that biologist he was enough he was in a tan uniform so either that you were out of blue uniforms for him or you get to just pick your color and why would you ever pick red I don't know because the red guys died yeah I don't know maybe if they asked the computer about that they might figure out that statistically if you wear red you're in more trouble and people at a choose another color I don't know yes that's probably like one of the subjects that's like blocked on on like search engines on Saturday kind of attention you know like what color should I wear and like just the idea that that they're going to die that that's blocked and that's why that's how they maintain the textile industry or the red textile industry huh well oh could beat the you know the truth is is that I think one of the reasons the red guys die so often is because you who does Kirk always take down to the landing parties he always takes down a security detail right and security wears red yeah so I guess they all have to wear red I was thinking maybe you get to choose your color because that biologists got tan but you know he must have just been doing his laundry or something ha ha ha maybe alright well let's get into this do you want to start with seconds even we're in second season that's pretty cool because DeForest Kelley finally in the opening credits did you notice that yes I did wait a second there's more than two people in the opening side now this show has more than two people in it got three seven that's right so okay the first one is it's called a mock time is that right mm-hmm yeah okay so whoever's listening I don't have my episode guide in front of me but Jon does so we'll be okay yeah okay so this was a monumental for me because long before I started watching Star Trek I had the pleasure of seeing the film the Cable Guy which by the way is a highly underrated Jim Carrey film I guess but a lot of people didn't like it because it was kind of a darker comedy but I dug it anyway the way I think you liked it a little bit better than me I think I think I got a little bit squirmy and uncomfortable before being squirmy and uncomfortable comedy's was cool way ahead of a second way before the Ben Stiller genre way before like the office and stuff where that was my own a type of comedy yeah okay so what's the plot is we got a we got Spock who feels compelled to return to his home planet even though it's currently impossible because they've got a schedule to keep right mm-hmm and so Spock's kind of I don't know if you want to say commandeer their sabotages the the ship but he by golly he plots a course for his home anyway and and when Kirk confronts him about it another spot gets all embarrassed and he refuses to talk about it like like he can't let anyone know but then when Spock actually reveals what the reason is yeah it's another one those moments from like what was the big deal yeah that's true why couldn't I couldn't he just say so what is it it's that it's mating time and like salmon they've got to return to the place where they were born right yeah or they die I guess or they die and also he doesn't want him to know about it because apparently these logic emotionless Vulcans when they mate they just kind of go crazy I guess it's all this repressed emotion comes out in big big doses when they're mating yeah although logically you kind of wonder Spock being as logical as he is you gotta wonder you know maybe a really good strategy would have been to like say maybe a year ago in their voyage just kind of say to Captain Kirk we have this thing it's this mating ritual we kind of go crazy so I'm going to need time off a year from now and just kind of get it sold and set up and just like you know I know I never take vacations but this time I really need a vacation or I'll either die or take over the ship and endanger lives seems like a logical thing to do but oh I guess it just kind of slipped his mind or he's just strangely embarrassed although I don't know how Spock would get embarrassed because that seems like a pretty human thing to do about this whole situation but anyway that's that's the point of this episode yeah so so he tells Kirk and Kirk promises to keep it a promise and they go to the Vulcan and and then what he's allowed to bring two friends with him and he chooses Captain Kirk and of course he chooses dr. McCoy so we're always stuck in this situation where and this will get discussed later in this episode where our doctor and McCoy and Spock are they really like good good friends or they are they because they're constantly bickering and arguing but there's an episode later on where Captain Kirk says he's not even sure that Spock and McCoy know whether or not they are good friends or kind of opposed to each other so who know so anyway he picks he picks McCoy and it's an honor for McCoy and all that stuff so they get to the island not the island the planet the lady's supervising the wedding is like a really important Federation person right what's her name her name is the T'Pol yeah just like the 80s band Kapaa I was going to I was going to ask if you remember the 80s band - PAH oh they are done well after after the Star Trek character - Pau which is a very strange character being to be named after is that they have that one song what was their hit zone they're like hardens old was hard to get a little yeah giving you a pardon so give me a nut isn't that the song that is the interesting to listen to that song and read the lyrics again and see if it's got anything to do any Star Trek references in there so who knows so anyway so they get down there to the crazy wedding and the girl that Spock is supposed to marry even though logically he supposed to pick his mate on characteristics they have God they're all logical right but she's gorgeous so that just had to be so but he gets there and they're about to start the the mating ritual and she stops it and she has the right to declare the Spock win her by combat or something right yes and yes and I still I'm afraid to admit I still don't completely understand this weird freaky custom where they have this whole big logical thing and but if you want to you can fight to the death if you want you can fight to the death for your mate so yeah so she invokes that and she gets to pick the champion instead of it being the the other Vulcan that has the hots for her uses Captain Kirk and we'll talk about why later but Captain Kirk is obligated to fight Spock to that note was there reason why Captain Kirk couldn't back out and I didn't apostate that he wasn't uh that he wasn't obligated since he's not Vulcan no I remember now it's because Spock is really physically weakened and Kirk thinks that perhaps the other Vulcan would hurt Spock right yeah and that's right a little yeah being hazy on all that yeah and also when Kirk agrees to the combat he has no ideas to the death yeah it's kind of like a we're just karate kid' - yeah how could you hip not a small detail that would have been nice to have known but anyway uh-huh yeah so this is where the Cable Guy comes in now you've got to get the part of the Cable Guy when they're at medieval times and I don't know how Jim Carrey swung because I've been to medial times and I've never seen anyone do this before but so he and Matthew broader her bought brought down to the pitch and they're given combat gear and Jim Carrey starts doing the Boro he says if we don't kill each other they will kill both of us and this is exactly what they're referencing is this scene in Star Trek even though even though stuck I kept waiting for spot to say that but I mean that that was the situation that anyone in the combat who shows weakness or whatever aren't they supposed to get executed by the people there or watching the whole combat I can't remember yes something like that which still flies in the face of everything we've learned about Vulcan so far yeah it's it's kind of like it kind of like we talked about red hour they're completely logical and impractical II passed at this they don't harm living creatures but every seven years they just they just start shooting their guns in the air and they want to kill everything yeah yes absolutely so what happens is a doctor McCoy administers a drug to Jim Kirk with the pretense that it's supposed to make him that's better for the atmosphere but instead and puts them in kind of like a temporary coma to appear like he's dead we go up the cable gangmo okay you didn't mention that but Matthew Broderick and Jim Carrey actually fight with the Star Trek weapons like I have them they have them at medieval times they have the heavy sticks with the with the blades they just happen to have the Star Trek weapons and be be both man I actually T voted a couple weeks go and watch that part it was very very entertaining by the way I'm going to also make you watch the Futurama episode that's based on this episode where I have to fight professor Zoidberg on professor Zoidberg home planet mate and before the fight they play the national anthem of the planet and it's that music yes so McCoy administers the drug that supposed to make it look like a Kirk is dead but it just kind of puts him into a temporary coma or death like state right so Spock thinks he's killed Kirk and he goes up to the hot Vulcan groans says why did you why'd you do this why'd you have me choose Kirk and she said well you know if you do defeat Kirk then then you'd probably release me for from that you wouldn't want to marry me because I made you kill your friend and she said if Kirk to sees you then you're dead anyway and then the truth is all she wanted to do was be with the other Vulcan and Spock instead of getting really angry and giving her the slap of love which is what she deserved he says well that's very logical and he releases her and I'm sure Kiki goes off and gets marry together Vulcan right and so he's box comes back to the ship and he sees that Captain Kirk is alive and what happens Jon he displays emotion he goes Kirk you're alive hey good but oh wait a second oh crap isn't that kind of how it goes yeah I didn't mean to do this I was merely expressing my boys day I don't know he's like expressing his his relief that the captain of the ship was still alive or something like that so but for a brief moment a completely human emotional out and probably I might be just about the only one where he's not under the influence of something yeah like we've seen him be emotional before but it's because he had that weird sweaty disease or because like the flowers put spores in them or something like that or not a planet with a weird atmosphere and this is the only time it's like that's that's really spot being emotional okay so there's that that first episode the second okay and I don't know I still have two more questions about this okay okay but you know we don't know why Spock didn't tell anybody about it which is kind of strange yeah and then my question is they had that other place to be and Starfleet kept bugging him like why don't you here want you here and they never told Starfleet either like couldn't quit any explaining be done at all is that that just right out I guess it just I don't know it's so scary but then they were lucky that the Paul was administrating because she kind of got him off the handle right which reminds me isn't how can I find out later that Kurt still alive so that could possibly yeah maybe later between seasons between season 2 or 3 is Star Trek was the big the big war between Vulcan and the big civil wars between Vulcan in the Federation because that happened yeah I said I just as soon as that happened I figured oh there's no way they can disguise the fact that Kirk's not dead you know pretty much the most popular guy in the fleet just about just about the most popular guy in the galaxy so you can't you can't hide theme yeah but anyway Oh also in this episode is the first appearance of Chekov which I think bears noting yeah which was really bizarre I thought all of this is this old because the name sounded familiar but I wondered if this was going to be one of those one-time characters but not think that he's got the real heavy Russian accent and he looks like he's about 15 years old but he's got a lot of he's got a really big hair and apparently he has a monkey haircut like as in hey hey we're the Monkees not popular at the time and so they kind of wanted to capitalize on that but I want you to take notice because we haven't gone gotten to the movie jet this is this is very important do you remember to check off at all in the first season know that I can recall okay remember that you don't remember Chekov in the first season and then we'll talk about that four episodes for them four of our shows from now not four episode not four Star Trek episodes we need to call these things different than episodes should we call them shows or should we call them sessions or it still have to email about that okay yeah so but I mean that the first season ended on a really disappointing to you sowed in my opinion so this was a great way to start the second season one of the better episodes of the season yeah pretty cool it's it's pretty its iconic it's one of those iconic ones but you think a Star Trek you think of that wait which which you'll notice throughout the rest of the season anytime there's combat I think they kind of reuse that music yeah yeah yeah okay so episode 2 what is it what do we got oh okay I'll let you know the episodes are looks like a that's going to be my job this time that's pretty cool episode 2 is who mourns for Adonis okay this is the one where they get stranded on the island with the guy who is the node with Apollo that's not this one is that's right you always say stranded on this island I mean if you're watching too much lost in concurrence with Star Trek yeah that would make sense except that I'm not watching any loss at all so is it the one with Apollo though yeah it is the one of Apollo okay so what they get a their shit apollo their ship get um does it get tractor done towards the island or how did it get its a giant apollo hand in space that's right that's right the giant apology and that won't let the ship move and they beam down and there he is and I mean he says that he's the god Apollo and they figure out hey all of Greek mythology King to be because you have these super powerful aliens that just decided to live on earth for a while and here's one of the remnants of those people and it's Apollo and of course they have a they have a female that beams down with them and I think is this a one time character yes it's a one time character I can't remember her name but I isn't she the ship's expert on Greek gods and mythology or something yes because they because they basically so she beamed down and of course she's she's good-looking and she falls in love with Apollo and he puts her in and uh in fitting clothing I guess and so so there's that and they're they're totally incapable escaping an Apollo he says he wants to give them like everything they've ever wanted and then a perfect life as long as they believe in him and here's another instance of where Kirk has the opportunity to give his crew really a happy existence but he just refuses to do it because of the principle of being under the control of anyone or anything yeah that's that's true well anything is kind of interesting because they're like well this isn't you know this guy isn't a god but they do kind of come to the conclusion that like hey this guy really is Apollo from ancient Greece and he did visit earth and he gave the people the crops and he fed them and took care of them and they worshipped him but he's no God but I mean by all those definitions he is really I mean here we can't have absolutely and so what do they well how do they figure out how to finally beat him first he's got like a power sources the temple right but and so I'm trying to get this clear so he can only call so much power at a time and he's expending a ton of power already to keep the ship for moving this is my favorite part yeah they're like he's got to have a power source where it also the oldest they see the fluctuations or something but he also has to be like believed in or something right doesn't someone was right I mean kind of kind of like that video game to remember the video game populace yes where you play a god but your people have to give you like mana points is what we held and and the more they believed in you the more powerful you became and so you have to kind of make sure they're taking care of them you have to appease them and then they give ya but no what I was going to say was they go to this planet and Apollo the only guy there and he lives at this little building this little Acropolis thing and he and the building are the only things on the planet and and Kirk says ok we got to find that power source and Scott is like well everything's everything's cloaked there's nothing we can see you know he's like ok well we're going to have to comb the entire planet and certain kind of a a method like um you know we have to eliminate it one by one process of elimination the entire plan is I thought that's going to take some time like okay just do it okay so then there meantime there on this planet they're hanging out with Apollo in his one little building the only structure on the entire planet and they get a message from the enterprise and they say we found the source of the power it's in that one building that's wonderful yeah he's like oh good job yeah might have thought to check there first mmm-hmm such is the way with Star Trek yep so so what do they do the only way to free themselves was grasp is to get the girl who is now kind of in love with Slash worshipping him and she he promises to make her like a goddess or whatever she has to give up her love for Apollo and convince him that not only does she not love him but that she she's just basically studying him right yeah yeah it's like a you just another animal for any kind of thing yeah and so he gets really upset and and his power fluctuates down just enough so that they can destroy his temple right is that it yeah so we got a video ship okay now to teach him yeah I got a remarkably little obsess about this episode's oh yeah yeah not much to say it's just the enterprise finds an ancient Greek god and killed him yeah that might that might be the title of it I thought it was kind of unique you know and I mean when I was a kid I was I was really into into Greek gods and stuff so I I kind of found that kind of cool I loved how he dressed her job to make her more pretty and actually made her more modest he'd like put a lot more clothes on it and is you know Federation regulation for for women that we've talked about so many times yeah because you know women pretty much wrap a towel around themselves and absolutely perfect okay so is that it for who mourns for Adonis I think the best part of this episode for me is the title I think that's just an awesome title that would be my band name your band name could be Edith Keeling must die but mine is who mourns for Adonis both fantastic the only problem I have with that is I recently watched WrestleMania two Jon on DVD and uh I was reintroduced to the adorable Adonis who is a wrestler that anyway we couldn't we shouldn't talk about it but if there's any mirrors out here who care to look up the adorable Adonis on the internet it's not a pretty sight oh yeah it's kind of crappy to have a name like Adonis and not be pretty well if you think he's pretty good I'll check it out after we do this okay oh okay next episode you want to the next episode is it's called the changelings you remember that one roughly okay go ahead and let me let me let me get let me go to the IMDB yeah thank you I help you you give the Fox over here okay fine I'll give the plot summaries sure the enterprise discovers this floating robot that looks a lot like one of the floating robots in black hole you know the series number the Texas floating robot in black hole looks a lot like that which is kind of floating around the ship and the crew is pretty much freaked out by it turns out they find out that this robot is the leftover of some satellite that Earth launched a long time ago that collided with a meteor and the meteor had some kind of intelligence on it and the two intelligences kind of melded together and its new assignment its new main programming was was to find perfect life or something find perfection going to be couldn't find perfection than it would destroy whatever whatever around you you know and this is one of many instances where the robot or the species of the sentient or whatever mistakes Kirk for someone someone else or someone more important than he is because of his name Kirk apparently it's some kind of universal godlike name because that happens a few times but that his name is actually what saves him not what he does yeah because the creators of this robot yeah it was called Kirk they're called Jim Kirk or called Bo Kirk or something like that yeah yeah so and so it's kind of a race against time because eventually Estrada's going to figure out that he did at curtin i who we think he is or the kirk is in fact human making him not perfect and the robot you know this robot thing obviously thinks that since it is perfect that anything that created it must also been perfect and i believe doesn't don't we get a lot of information because the Vulcan mind-meld where he actually spotted does the mind meld with uh with a robot I think he does I can't remember seems like there's a point where spot pretty much mind melded everybody came across yeah I think all right somehow they're able to get some information on the role 'button so yeah because because Kirk has to allow spot to touch the robot because the robot wouldn't let spot touch him because he wasn't he wasn't perfect like Kirk I think yeah so so this is the interesting episode then there's a lot of episodes like this and where I don't know I don't know if I want they to understand but Spock as I supposed to be the expert on logic right he's mr. Dragic so why is that in this episode and all the others that I'm gonna put under the genre of Kirk out logics machine is the genre here so Kirk reveals who he is he ties them the machine into like a logic buying right where he says whoever created you as human and humans are not perfect and so you can't be perfect and then what else does he say that I he talked to the robot to killing itself Jon if you've got more details by all means you know I was going to say exactly that because I can't remember what it is it's some kind of - gloop Kirk isn't who he says he is but then the computer thought he was someone else and so the computers imperfect so the computer has to destroy itself or something like that yes and I know builds prime directive which now means killing itself well I think you know what the reason spot isn't masterful of these logic traps is because Spock's whole ideology is upholding logic and so Spock doesn't want to disprove that logic disprove the validation of logic like and and so it if Spock did that that now just proved that that logic is faulty but he doesn't want to do that he just wants to maintain it that's that's one theory another theory is that Kirk is just a glory hog a more plausible theory it seems it seems like Spock has always impressed when Kirk pulls these off yep so anyway um yeah that's is there anything else nope I mean I think this is one of the stronger examples of that genre and I I think we probably already seen three or four episodes like this where it's Kirk outsmarting the computer or robot or whatever and convincing it to kill itself so well it certainly would have been nicer if if the robot was a little bit more menacing looking or bigger or something it was it was that floating robot from black hole which was just a kind of a cartoon but it was menacing because I think I counted four for Red Shirts died in this episode yeah from just being vaporized instantly by this floating robot that didn't look very scary but I guess it was because it was killing everybody yeah so so there's that hey can I pause it really quick I gotta go to bathroom over okay no no next episode already Mirror Mirror okay pretty good one huh you do you want to do this one you're gonna have to start I don't remember it you don't remember mirror mirror are you kidding me sorry Johnny okay me go on and wait okay I know you've been watching a lot of Star Trek and its it's like overdose no you'll remember this one okay so the crew beams up from planet that they're trying to establish relations with and the planets like yeah we don't like you but go on your merry way and you know you can kill us if you want because you you're powerful enough and crooks like that's not our way we're not going to do that so then they beam up and there's a problem with the transporter and they beam into an alternate dimension where Spock has a beard evil Spock with the beard bunk with a beard which is kind of strange because even though it's evil Spock with a beard he's pretty much the only one in this alternate universe who isn't evil everyone else is but he he's actually a pretty decent guy which I thought was kind of clean he's almost he's almost exactly this very little change of it but so this was reference so everybody else should have had a beard but Spock should've but that's just me yeah it was at reference this was a from Wayne's World right on Sarah in Iowa I think maybe they were they were counting down Halloween costumes or something and one of them was the evil Spock with a beard oh that's right they were you know Kenny now it's also on a on a South Park episode I don't know if you ever saw the South Park episode there was an evil Cartman who came through some interdimensional vortex or something and the evil Cartman had a beard and they kept calling him an evil Cartman but he was like the nicest little kid ever he was like the officers Carter in in the evil Stan and Kenny came and they were really mean and they they tortured the evil Cartman all the time they sent evil Cartman back to the other universe but that was a pretty good episode but this is a really really famous episode Kirk and and who was it it's a hora and Scotty and McCoy I think our other four people on the landing party and they're like oh my gosh this is this is crazy this is not incur keeps having these these meetings with McCoy and Scott Ian's like well you take care of the bridge and she keeps looking at him like please please don't leave me with these animals like she she handles her own that's that's pretty cool Kirk ultimately finds out he got command by killing Captain Pike yes nice throw back to you know the the original pilot episode yeah yeah so it's pretty much them just kind of surviving in this alternate universe until they find out a way where they can replicate the transporter accident that that took them to this other other dimension and interestingly they talked to Spock and Spock kind of the good the good Spock it's pretty much the same guy like you said that the evil Spock has a beard they talked a beard Spock and he's he says yeah logically this empire of ours that were running it probably only has about I don't know 150 years left before inevitably it's going to collapse and and the Empire is done for so Kirk before he leaves he enlists evil Spock's help an evil Spock helps them them leave because he knows that that's what must be and maybe evil Spock is like he's going to be the seed to change things in this in this horrible parallel universe yeah I was going to say something else about Spock oh yeah the other interesting thing about Spock is everybody gets command by assassination you know Chekov has his goons or or Sulu wants to wants to command the ship and and so we have people working for him and everything and yeah but Spock he sports all that because he doesn't want command because he's the only one logical enough to know that if you get command then it's pretty much being on death row yeah and so he's smart enough to not want command okay anyway we're back well so we're going to have a lot of we're going to have a lot of many credits in here that's that's cool that's cool it's good for the short attention span anyway so do you remember this episode now because I was going off for like two minutes I know no I absolutely I remember that this episode this this was a this was a great episode than what you remember our friend Kirk finds himself in a situation where I guess like everyone on board is is plotting to murder him as well actually check off evil check off attempt to assassinate Kirk and he failed and he gets killed that'll teach him oh yeah crappy call me so he gets he gets put in the agonizer or something yes that's right the agonizer so then what what if I was really funny was when they finally get back to the right universe they they have the evil their evil counterparts who because they're wondering oh my gosh does that mean there are evil ones in our universe what could they possibly be doing yeah well what happened to them is they beamed aboard the the normal universe enterprise and they were immediately put in detention yeah as it was like so odd blatantly obvious that they want people there just immediately just bought just took care of you just knit two right in the bud yeah beamed on and they're acting crazy Spock's like okay put him in the Brig and that's the end of them and that's pretty much how we see hip down from yep so so there's that no that was a great episode and I think it as soon as a you started talking about it I remembered it pretty quickly so good episode yeah but probably my favorite part of that episode is the part where they they imprison the evil for but also when when evil Spock finds out that they're not who they are and he's not their friend at first and they have to fight him and all four of them take evil Spock on an evil Spock really holds his own against the four of them yeah up until he gets a vase to the head crazy so yeah me Ramirez it's really good it's really good and in it in that concept is revisited several times and in different Star Trek incarnations so so there's that anything else about them no not as that was pretty good episode this is a this is a again another solid installments of beginning of the second season solid yes yes I like I like that it's probably my favorite one so far if I do say so myself okay next one okay okay I know this one is your favorite though cat's paw do you remember cat's paw oh I I think so you're gonna have to remind me this no this the one where they beam down to the island not behind I'm so sorry Jonathan the planet right and and they're they're kind of being controlled by these two by this this guy and he has this cat with him that's right he has this cat it's - really it's - really weird beings you know we find out the cat is actually a being yes which isn't really that important I don't know why it's so important that the the cat turns into somebody but they have two really really weird alien names because the guys name is Korra Rob and the girl's name is Silvia Korriban Xillia and then yeah Jon this episode fits really well into another genre that has visited over and over and over again and it's a this would be Captain Kirk wins by way of seducing the alien female pretty much every other episode yeah so so it's not just a black cat it's a really hot brunette in a in a in her own crazy outfit where but apparently she can look like whatever female Captain Kirk wanted to look like right but until she had assumed human form she really was unaware of all these the human feelings and emotions correct am I remembering that right right because they took that there they're immortal beings but they took human form and so with the human form they they took these emotions and that's how they were exploited yeah yeah I don't think that's how they that's how they get them but it doesn't really make make sense to me because when they land on this planet there are all these like dark images right like witches yeah and and they say go away we don't want you here leave us alone and and for the whole first part of the episode they keep saying to go away but when they kind of loiter around it's it's revealed that they want to keep them there because they need to experience their experience because they're new human emotions and so I don't know if they just kind of grew into that or if there's just some kind of discrepancy in the script writing there that that they you know is it just like necessary for the villains to say go away and you know have the forbidding warning signs but then actually keep them captive once they're done I don't know what then you also get into the part though where this guy and this girl are the ones keeping them all captive and the girl has become like totally power-hungry the guy kind of I think would rather the humans go away because I don't know if he feels like their influence is corrupting or whatever but so maybe the guy was responsible for the warnings I don't know yeah that's that's that's a good call I think there was a subtle jab at it women you know cuz the woman is the bad guy in this yeah and also Kurt Kurt throws in the singer line where he says you're no woman you've tortured my man wait he says you're no woman you've tortured my men and asked you that for saying it let me start this one over go ahead you're no woman you've tortured my men you've asked for love but only given pain in return you know what do you want to bet some Star Trek married fans like some some guys they're probably watch them they probably high-five each other you know there oh my blasted wife she always asked for love that she only gives pain to be turned yes yeah Kirk you you nailed it there I've always however i've got us have always been in the opinion that if a league of evil were to form in our world and let's say there were two and they were competing for the most evil and one was formed entirely evil men one was formed entirely evil women i think the evil women league has a much higher capacity for evil I don't I I don't I think women have a greater capacity to love but I think it also swings the other way did they have the greater capacity to uh to be like my high school girlfriend so oh yes I I knew she was gonna come uh but no yeah I think that's I think that is kind of interesting and I think that kind of goes back all joking aside about what Kirk said because women can be that evil but Kirk expects the woman to be lovely and and to be and to be great people pretty much like everybody younger everybody Kurt deals with be on a ship because the because you know we all know the enterprise is just one big love fest or shock I don't really want to say it I think it's pretty obvious I meant to mention this to you before yeah the enterprise is a total she accessed isn't it every time there are two officers a guy in a girl who are alone every single time they cut a lot to each other it's like that's what's expected of them to do yeah and well we could do we could do a whole show about that but this cat's-paws episode they have all this weird horror energy not whore whore or imagery it's a lot easier right than to say but you know with the with the witches and black camps and everything and they say they can't kind of make some kind of weird vague statement that all these images are I think Spock surmises that it's like the subconscious twilight of the mind like all these art types of of kind of eeriness and evil and so I kind of thought you'd like this episode and and I liked this episode even though it was really kind of cheesy and not one of the best episodes but this is the Star Trek Halloween episode yeah yeah it is it's like these these creatures have taken human form one to recreate human earth life and and they got a peek at her during uh just during Halloween and they figured that's how it oh yeah yeah either either they got a peek during during Halloween or goddess peak of subconscious twilight of the mind kind of stuff but you know in the twilight of my mind it's not witches and cauldrons but you know that's just what I appreciate it Halloween so I think that makes more sense they got a peak of Earth during Halloween yeah so so pretty cool maybe you'll have to dress up as a as a as a black female cat next year or so has it as a Kouros the Corrib core core Rob and when when they're revealed to be their their true form it's these little these little insect looking things all those rich are very obviously puppets yeah and not just because you can tell by the way they're moving you can tell because you can very obviously see all the strings on these puppets yeah okay so that's cat paw the Halloween episode of Star Trek which was pretty poor episode but has a special place in my heart because Halloween yeah next episode okay okay they're kind of starting to blend together now it's called the Apple mmm let me read the IMDB so I don't stutter over my own definition here okay and the IMDB summary goes vastly an Enterprise landing party finds a planet biologically paradise like but soon a crew member is killed by something lurking around an unidentified irresistible force from the planet keeps the ship caught and blocks the transporters function okay so pretty much every episode so far suddenly a sort of spore eruption knocks Spock out but only temporarily oh and also they don't say that but a redshirt dies from the spore I believe okay they find a primitive village near the power source devotes to the service of a certain ball they seem to consider their divine creator McCoy finds them completely free of disease aging and natural dangers they observe them sacrificing food to a temple apparently housing the machine which blocks out all of the life-forms and instructs the villagers to learn to knock the intruders on the hand on the head with lethal force their plan is to attack it when it is in need of another feat so this is a really interesting one because so so biblical obviously yeah but they find Eden pretty much the space equivalent of Eden these people they don't die they're immortal they can live however long they want all they have to do is worship the God that's that's their which is a big stone alligator head and and and that's pretty much it and crooks like well this paradise won't do and so he screws the whole thing up yeah and that's pretty much what happens now correct me if I'm wrong in this episode no these people don't really know how to show emotion to each other right but now who is it that's all loving this episode is it Chekhov and some girl yeah check off he's like oh look we're in paradise and so he's chummy with some some Yale man okay who's there so a couple and a couple of these aliens see them getting all cuddly and they start to experiment themselves correct that's right that's right that's this episode and so you know since the enterprises in jeopardy they find out that the people themselves have to feed the alligator thing that's holding the enterprise in place yeah before the the villagers can kill them because the villagers were taught to kill by the God they just kind of round them up and say okay don't go anywhere and so they wait for the for the God to starve to death and then the enterprise-d shoots at it and it and it blows up you know and this is kind of spurious motives I guess because they are endangered they could do it but you know spot kind of gets mad at Kirk at the end of the episode because Kirk is like okay well you know we help them out and Spock is like they were they were completely content they were living logically there was no crime they never died I think they were in a better position then humanity is yeah and Kirk says they need to have conditions of growth what we did was right we we gave them we enabled them to grow and that's why what we did was justified now see this may be one of those episodes halfway through the second season this is going to become a much bigger issue but you've got the prime directive of non-interference right right right and I don't think I kind of tried to look this up but I couldn't find where it was mentioned first you remember what that was mentioned first no but I'm you guys somewhere in the second season but it just seems to me in the first season and at least the first half of the second season is like a prime directive it is not that big a deal but then when we get into the second half of the second season here it's like disobeying the prime directive is punishable by death all of a sudden so I mean there's like every single episode they're going down and changing cultures and and and of then avoiding the prime directive but all of a suddenly out of nowhere in somewhere in the second season it becomes really serious so yeah it's it's probably because of something I mean remember the last death sentence the only death sentence of its kind was visiting what Talos four or five yeah or whatever that was and that was another Enterprise mission so pretty much the enterprise Starfleet's prime directives are based pretty much on clean after wherever the enterprise yeah so sorry I just I just thought more and more into the second season I thought Neil Court what how on earth why is this prime directive all of a sudden is so important when I was aware that kind of existed before I don't know when its first mentioned but it just kind of seemed like yeah we're supposed to obey the prime directive but lots of exceptions but then we get more and more into their season and it's like really really serious anyway yeah and I've been I've been waiting for it to be really serious because gosh just about every next generation episode they talk about the prime directive you know and it's it's it's a really huge thing but yeah you're right it hasn't been huge so far I think I think it's really funny how it just kind of cast aside yeah well then obviously because it really is invented yet by the Star Trek right yeah obviously it didn't come around till later as soon as they decide this is really serious they act like it's been really serious all this time yeah and that's yeah they should have introduced it as a new thing probably it probably would have been a good idea and a couple more quibbles about this isn't it funny how I have so many quibbles about these episodes and I'm a Star Trek fan sometimes I wonder if maybe that's why I'm a fan so I could just so I could be one of those dorks who's like where the Canadians and this and this and this isn't cool and isn't it but you know just a couple just a couple quibbles okay fun go dark you know it's just it's just fun this this planet is obviously it is paradise right yeah it's loot but it is a set we know it's a set yeah and probably the best looking planet we've seen so far is the planet in shore-leave yeah would you agree yes which was obviously outside and it was just it was just earth it was just some it was just some Park they found in California probably yeah I think I mean isn't it amazing what how much of a big difference that makes just on the outside something makes it look a lot prettier and nicer and everything yeah and I really wish they revisited that for trying to show paradise because it didn't look like Paris at all yeah there's a couple episodes where they're talking to a lien people/chia-te have in here like if you want to look like stage four be a paramount studio the last planet he defecated yeah so so there's that I mean and okay hate to kick Star Trek walls down we all know they had horrible sets back in the 60s and that's just one of the stereotypes but I just couldn't help it when we talk about the paradise planet okay very much the funniest line of this you know how screwed up with the prime directive to this but the the episode ends with Kirk saying you're gonna like you know it's gonna be hard but you're gonna like this emotion you're gonna like loving each other you're gonna like caring for each other you're gonna have little ones kids and like what really what's that like you know kids don't you know like how do we have kids and he's like and Kirk just says and just go the way you're going you'll find out and then he beam up like he pretty much says yeah you're gonna have kids just kind of experiment see what that's like and as far as having kids just kind of hi you guys are you guys are kind of on the right track so he's pretty much you know that parent who just skips out on the on the big talk you can exhaust and you know you kind of got to wonder you know speaking of planets to visit later see how it's going yeah that's definitely a planet you got to check out you got to believe the first child that gets born probably isn't it won't be expected what's going on yet me so it was a great laugh line great little Kirk quiz so yeah alright okay okay what do we learn uh what number episode is this the number episode is it's episode number 35 according to the production number okay but according to episode number of the even two season it's episode six so one on the sixth episode and it's called the doomsday machine okay you like this one I think so I want anything with it do is good for me and no secret that one of my favorite movies ever is dr. Strangelove right you're not that's what this is about yeah you have to refresh my memory a little bit about about this one you're getting way too ahead on your Star Trek is this like from stuff you were watching a month ago or something I've been several weeks okay I'll give I'll give the synopsis again okay so they're going along they they find this big ice cream cone in space and it's this really hard shelled creature and it moves really slow but it just it just zap stuff and they find a captain of another starship called the constellation and he's just kind of crazy he obviously hasn't slept in a while and he's all by himself they're like where are your crew and he's like I beamed him down to the planet so I can fight this thing by myself you know captain last man on the ship yeah going down with the ship but unwittingly when he beamed his crew down to the planet the ship simply ate the planet and so his crews dead and he's just freaking out and he's obsessed with killing this big ice cream cone yeah but and he says he says some cool stuff he's like they say there's no devil but I saw it right out of hell and and so they just be surmise that what this thing is is it's like some kind of doomsday device it's like a last-ditch effort by some long lost civilization you know to be you know the failsafe against you know against complete annihilation because you know they have this this weapon and what this weapon does is it kills everything and it's going and so obviously it worked and it is going around killing everything and they're they kind of make a point of saying it doesn't matter where the civilization is it just matters what this what's left what this thing is and I think what they're trying to do with this episode is making a point about like the nuclear arms race or brinksmanship or whatever policies we have yeah that ultimately a good defense against nuclear annihilation is is building up and building up all these arms so that both sides would you know the last thing that ever do was actually start a war because it would it would destroy everything yeah but you know they kind of make a point in this episode that you know when you do not eventually war is inevitable eventually it will happen and so that's not a good way because it's just it's just too unsafe and so what they do is the crazy captain gets loose and he flies a shuttlecraft into it go out on a blaze of glory and they're like wow this thing it eats planets and the whole can't be can't be hurt at all because it's solid neutronium kind of like corbin light yeah and they they discovered that if you fly a ship right down the cone then it could do some damage until they they threw the USS Constellation in it and it didn't explode but the inside of it exploded and it was just a it was just a big sea shell in space after that off I think I'm finally remembering what the cone looks like as I got it's like a big cylinder shaped thing I like a giant hollow worm no it's like a cone it's not a cylinder it's a cone okay now doesn't Kirk fly the ship into any beams out the last second oh yeah he beams out in the last second yeah yeah well the point though is that a doomsday device technology is quite simple and it's really perfect in every way but the point of the machine is defeated if you keep it a secret why don't you tell everybody so everybody needs to know about it yeah but I was thinking that exact same thing like yeah dr. Strangelove did I write that down I'm sure I wrote oh that's a top-10 movie for me oh yeah it's great because I don't mean to digress but this movie was made before patent and of course the George C Scott didn't bolt and to be honest he played the exact same character in both films and it's just really it just turns out that that character is really really funny and dr. Strangelove and not so funny in Patton so I've never seen Patton I need to see Pat my team dr. Strangelove but I got to see Patton now yeah it's for that it's the series yeah just some things I wrote down about this episode I think you know what we talked about about the doomsday in the kind of the commentary on on probably especially current events in the 60s about the arms race and stuff yeah they said this is the only instance in history where we used one doomsday device to destroy another doomsday device and let's hope they say something like let's hope that that's just the way it is that's let's hope it's the last time or something like that I kind of remember thinking come on where's our it's gotta be doomsday devices and nuclear warheads and a bunch of stuff going on yeah up until this point yeah you got I mean come on we got out of all these civilizations and all these cultures and of course Earth's history there was there was World War three and stuff so yeah yeah yeah Steve save me the commentary yeah yeah big galaxy and I guess that's a doomsday machine it's it's okay so it's got some drama yeah so okay so what's next okay episode 41 or episode seven season two or oh no I skipped episode I skipped some episodes here okay so all right we're going slightly out of order oh we did not want to be Downton do that when we do that one okay episode 8 of season 2 is called I'm mud I'm my and we we meet an old friend form of Harcourt Fenton Mudd yeah so so the deal is none you've done a couple in a row so I'll take this one so now I got the crew of Starship Enterprise they find their now their ship is once again obstructed as out of the case for movement again now that they are they are they beamed down or do they beam themselves down to this planet I think two of the away party is beamed down themselves and then they are being down by a third party yeah okay now I don't remember I was just getting value either way they dig it down there and they find mud and mud is the guy who from season 1 was selling those mail-order brides who were taking the Venus pill and so one yep once again you got mud here and me apparently is like king of this planet and he's completely surrounded by all these beautiful women and it turns out they're all like androids Ryder some kind of robot and they all look exactly alike and I always wondered how they did this episode they just get a lot of similar looking women and just put on exactly identical wigs yeah kind of like Robert Palmer's girls and all those videos okay so that's probably how they did that so apparently he has gone through several iterations of ideal women for him so though there's a couple variations but there's always like several hundred of each right right actually you know what I think it was I think it was two different sets of twins with split screen as how they did it [Music] okay so on this planet with all these female androids in mud you also have one male Android and we think his name might be Norman yeah which is a solid name so they've all got necklaces and every necklace has a number on it and so like whatever whatever females there's 200 copies of they've each got enum burrs whatever through 200 was the he's the only one of his kind and he's got the number one on him and they deduced it kind of that he can communicate with all them so when they do or say something to one of the female robots that doesn't quite compute they get into a communicative state and they discuss it I guess telepathically or whatever with a with Norman maybe over their wireless network oh I found I found how they got how they got Norman and there's okay this is oh this is like we old this is like a scout camp kind of like summer camp on it before we hold a hold on hold on hold on okay because I think I think I didn't record this part of the last part so but this is a this is a Captain Kirk outsmarting the the robots episode classic one of those and so they start doing like crazy illogical things that confuse the robots right and right back right okay and they finally win by Jon you're okay yeah I found it it's on IMDB and I almost forgot about the scientists I can't believe I almost forgot about this Captain Kirk says Harry lied to you Norman everything Harry says is a lie remember that Norman everything he says is a lie and then Mudd says at once you listen to me very carefully Norman I'm lying and then Norman says you say that you're lying but if everything you say is a lie then you're telling the truth but you cannot tell the truth because you always lie theological theological please explain you're human only humans can explain theological spending tricks is I not programmed to respond in that area yeah that's a big thing that's how they destroyed this this age-old computer kind of like all the old riddle with the two doors right yeah that battle is which I never really figured out that's when I went took a nap requested what the unsolvable real that Nigel Tufnell talks about in in spinal tap no I don't remember well never mind all right so they're able to mention that next time okay so there's a decent episode oh that was a decent episode oh and then might get stuck there on the island I don't know why he gets stuck there it's like either gets stuck there sorta stuck on the watch hammer on the planet but I imagine on the planet they're on their own Island so anyway so he got a freaking planet and it's because it's either you'd either be stuck on the planet or go to Federation prison or something yeah and so he choose to be stuck on the planet but but I make like a bunch of duplicates of hundreds again world of his wife yeah to keep him control I guess so yeah and and they can't and he can't turn her off this time he can't say shut off which you know and you know what's going through his head right now why did I make an Android of my wife that I hate so bad that I wouldn't be in this predicament okay finish your thine mud along as we ever see of hard court for a month yeah okay episode number three actually hug the page out not here I'll edit this to episode number after I mod oh this one is called metamorphosis okay and that's a pretty good one because that that one they meet the Spock and Kirk I think in some cold as ice' broad that they're they're transporting to like be some delicate or some diplomat of some kind of war negotiation my name is Hedford i think they land somewhere and they meet this fella named Zefram Cochrane okay and Zefram Cochrane is famous in Star Trek because he invented the warp drive and he's been there for 150 years and he's hanging out with some cloud of energy that he calls the companion animal companion has kept him alive you know all these years and has seen to him and everything he kind of communicates with this companion thing but he doesn't know how it's kind of like on some kind of weird spiritual level some kind of you get some kind of vibe you can kind of communicate with it and they have they introduced this thing to him called the universal translator which I think is this is the first instance of the universal translator and the universal translator was invented I think in Star Trek universe because they didn't want to bother explaining how all of these aliens in the galaxy know English which is a very valid concern but that would be a series in itself which we are called teaching English to all the aliens we meet and so we can't talk to them for the first 10 years that we know no it takes that long just to communicate and we'd rather just talk to them immediately because that's more exciting that way anyway yeah and you know so anybody anybody who complains about all these aliens speaking English if you'd rather have the alternative where they didn't speak English and you have no idea what's going on go ahead and make your own show about that but I've heard a lot of fun to watch them so anyway so they they meet up with this this companion and and Zefram Cochrane's like why did the universal translator use of women's poised for that and McCoy and Kirk were like isn't it obvious just by the way that cloud of smoke looks at you and reacts when you're when it surrounds you this cloud of smoke is in love with you and Zefram Cochrane's like that is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard so he freaks out and McCoy has something says something a little funny about that because Zefram Cochrane's he's pretty much even though he and wet invented warp drive mm-hmm he hasn't like been out to explore the galaxy like civilization has done for the past hundred fifty years so he doesn't he doesn't have all that much experience with aliens and all that and McCoy pretty much says yeah you pretty much you have these relationships with aliens and you meet all these women and all these different species in there and you pretty much just get used to it you just you just kind of go yeah it's just kind of the way it goes we all have sex with all these aliens all the time don't don't worry about it it's kind of what we do now but eventually he kind of Kirk teaches the companion that if if she really loves that from Cochrane that she really needs to let him go in order to do that and so she does and that one act of love kind of makes Zefram Cochrane want to stay with her or she'll die oh oh and also I forgot to mention a really important thing I'm really bad at least at doing the synopsis the companion inhabited the body of that ice queen that they were traveling with yeah okay and so the companion is a beautiful human woman now and and honestly the companion needed to do that because you know I don't want to be all well I will be a little bit shallow here but you know it's hard for a guy to fall in love with a cloud of smoke it's been it's been harder for a guy to fall in love with a cloud of smoke with the personality of the companion because you know she may be a cloud of smoke but you think oh well maybe she's a cloud of smoke but at least she might have a good personality well she didn't depend on how the main personality and so she needed to do whatever it took to make sure that from Cochrane stayed and so that's what she did and so and so they're like well I guess that ice queen won't be around to you know handle the war negotiations and Kurt just kind of says huh they'll find someone else and then they leave and so I think two planets are it's some kind of super galactic war right now but that from talked and he's he's with the companion so that's pretty cool that's good you know I only really vaguely remember this episode so oh well it's very important because that's um Caulkins an important character and start writing lore so you should really watch it again and just kidding it's not that great yeah but it it ends kind of I think it kind of ends really interestingly because he is a really important character in the Star Trek universe but his last request is is as Kirklees he's like don't tell them I'm here and so no one ever knows that from Cochrane the great person the great inventor of warp drive is is there and so I think that's kind of sad because the paparazzi and the great scientists of the world they probably want to speak to them but you know I guess he just needs a space which I I can't blame them for but it's a waste it's just a waste to have a mind like that being isolated yes it is mom okay so that way do you have anything at all to say about that episode you know I wish I did this must be one of the episodes that I tried to watch while my kids are still awake or something because I I only vaguely remember it but um but uh let's pretend I remembered it really well and that was the sounds of that was a pretty good episode alright was already good yeah yeah okay okay okay cool okay we're up to episode 10 okay um do you think this is gonna be our last one for this week sure yeah let's let's top it in okay okay and you might have to i hope you've seen this one because yeah ohad your help with this one I hold the my days child okay yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen it but go ahead let's do what give me start start me up okay it is it's another Klingon episode and it's where the Klingons and the Federation they both want to claim a planet again pretty much like the last Klingon episode and gradually the the Klingons in this in this universe in the Star Trek universe they're all about real estate the Romulans are about war but the Klingons are like the you know they're it's not so much about like just straight on war because you know they talk to them they associate with them and everything it's mostly about the guy like like the the real estate agency down the road that's it's getting claimed on all these properties that you want that's that's what the Klingons are yeah yeah now if I remember correctly one of the Klingons in this episode is the squire from season one no this is not episode it's not that episode that's the one I just happened to barely that's in trouble with tribbles actually that's trouble with tribbles yeah which I just watched about an hour ago okay so alright well I can't wait to talk about trouble of Tribble next time okay all right well then I'm wrong okay okay you're wrong so if you saw indeed Friday's child I'll just I'll just kind of inform you that you want this planet and the planet is it's like some kind of the last plan of the Klingons wanted we're a bunch of pacifists but this planet is a bunch of big giants that that kill each other all the time and they're like all seven feet tall it's kind of weird one of one of the wives of one of the noblemen in the tribe is pregnant and there's like a power struggle in the Klingons common invade and drives the enterprise off and then like Kirk and McCoy wind up hiking across the planet with this pregnant woman okay and and yeah and it's very very forgettable oh no I mean I I saw every single episode I know I didn't miss a single one but but this one dies I'm I'm not remembering a whole lot well it's neither am i honestly and that's why I said I hope you watch this one cuz I because I'm having a hard time with this one is low learning about Jon Friday's child which of course is the famous episode where the Stars Federation and the Klingons both Wanda the same planet is one of the worst episodes ever in Star Trek ever seriously it's terrible in fact I think I dumped it from my memory in about five minutes after it ended and now it's not worth discussing further apparently there was a pregnant woman and she hiked across the plan and that's all worth it's worth noting and there's a pregnant woman it's important to note that she in order for McCoy to touch her McCoy had to smack her and she has to claim that the baby was his that is all my powers of forgetfulness are indeed okay yeah okay let's just yeah let's let's just uh why don't we just admit Friday's child wasn't our finest hour in watching Star Trek and it's probably some guy out there and it's his all-time favorite episode of Star Trek and I'm comfortable saying that person will never hear our words anyway yeah that's true so Friday's child could just it can just it can just suck it that Dana Jon there was an episode we discussed and we left out some really important details on okay um I'm remembering now for a mirror mirror okay I don't know if you want a yelling back here if you want to reenter this in back when we were talking about or how you want to figure out yeah my people I might go to do that it would probably be very hard okay so with Mirror Mirror one of the things in the evil universe is a Captain Kirk more or less has a concubine right fucking oh yeah that that brunette chicken she keeps that she's really insecure by the way like every other comment is am I still the captain's woman am i the captain's but so so he's got like this this this this concubine and then he goes back to his own universe and the very last thing that we see is that that he sees her again and she's a yeoman on board or whatever her crazy Frank position and past and and so Captain Kirk kind of looks at her a little longer than I whose he talked to the spa or uh or McCoy but he says something like I think I could get to like her it's not something like that he says uh who's in charge of the GD roster this week I want her to be the captain's woman please yeah I know she's capable I know for a fact so but you think that um I mean he's the captain of this ship and he outranks everyone on the ship there's really no one that legally he can date as far as fraternization rules and stuff go but but you get the impression that he's going to break the rules with that girl because he are you know is this you the captain's woman yep so no awesome comment yeah so anyway so that was a with that 9 or 10 episodes we go through today 9 10 10 yeah we did 10 we did ten episodes we're pretty much on a steady clip of the episodes an episode of the podcast I'll just call it podcast let's call it podcast okay so yeah we're doing pretty good because that means we have see there 26 there's 16 episodes left so if we do eight over the next two or nine and then seven or something like that they don't then we'll finish see alright so how we want to wrap this one up so best what do you think best episode that first group is you think probably Mirror Mirror um yes I'll say and I wrote down the scores to IMDB scores again to see if we feel pretty good I think I definitely say Mirror Mirror yeah see Amir American was for Donna I didn't like this I didn't like this first crop of season 2 so much I personally fought season 1 from what I've seen so far I've seen about half of season two I would say season 1 is a lot stronger than season 2 but I think I'm alone in that opinion I think most people consider season 2 to be the stride like that Star Trek hitting its stride but maybe I'm just yeah it might be just because you know so many of the same stories happen again and they seemed a lot more original than they have in the first time but mirror mirror is the first time to kind of saw something like that where everybody's different we kind of saw it a little bit with the enemy within where there are two Kirk's two one's good ones bad yeah so a but and but I was a little different too because it wasn't like a good and evil Kirk it wasn't aggressive in a passive Kirk it was kind of a yin and a yang Korea yeah so so I'll go Mirror Mirror and doomsday machine are probably my favorites okay uh I probably have Mirror Mirror and amok time tide here there's probably a better episode it's just that a month time is such a such an iconic episode at least as far as at least as far as my pop-culture references going so as a fan is a gigantic fan of cable guy I think I think you'd have to do you have to do a mock time also because it uses the word amok which I meant to look up I don't understand what that title means amok long it's time to time to have sex or something is that what Jon we're gonna look it up right now oh come on where's my wheezes where's my wasted my widgets up Origen mid 17th century via Portuguese a menthe rushing in a frenzy early use was a noun to noting a Malay and a homicidal frenzy the adverb use dates from the late 17th century and in the specific meaning means behave uncontrollably and disruptively so that's so odd because I thought I thought if I was like yeah I I totally misunderstood the title then so it's just it's just that time for Spock it's pox amok time yeah it mating time otherwise known as a mock time I figured it was like running around time even though there was no time travel I know that's kind of what strangely that's what I always thought I knew there was no time travel in it but it seemed it seemed like it was like in an extra dimensional time frame or something that's kind of thought so that's well we both pick correctly because mirror mirror got the highest rating according to IMDB users and the second highest was I think the doomsday machine at 8.9 mirror mirror was nine point three by the way very high score and then amok time is eight point seven in third place so we're very standard Star Trek fans how's it feel to be average feels good if I was picking the ones that everyone hated and that I'd be more concerned so okay cool so next we've got a lot of fun stuff because I've actually seen some of the ones that we are doing for next week or two talking about the deadly years and obsession ooh the Calvin Klein episode of Star Trek and the trouble with tribbles which is mine isn't whatever well no but it might be the most famous episode of Star Trek ever right up there with space seed it's probably more famous than space seed but I'm not sure so anyway okay till next week it's been it's been great plugging away I'm Jon Madsen in Salt Lake City and live long and prosper all right bill morning Hawaii live long processor wheel Kent is next fuck yeah I think once I told her this you both just like princess Snow White she ran away crying because she wanted to look like princess uh I don't know one of the other princesses so what can you do and forget about rethinking who needs thinking I just use it as an excuse to tell a joke kind of did you know your Matt can tell you a joke and you turn on the voice properties yeah no that's that's my big knee are you recording this I might I might actually include this in the pocket uh yeah I'm recording but if you if you um if you turn if you play chess for example you turn on the voice preferences into the Mac you can talk to the computer and stay out your your moves and it's and it's pretty cool because because I have my computer set now so that and you can also do that for everything else like in Safari you can like open a new window or go to a specific web page to spew and in the computer microphone picks you up but I have it set right now so that it doesn't do anything unless I say computer before and so in so like I have to say computer open this web page or computer IMDB or computer switch to iPod thing like that and so like people around here and in it doesn't recognize my voice that well probably because they don't you know talk very well or something but everybody around here kind of gets annoyed when I talk to the computer because I just start doesn't understand me I'm like under shooter do use it and I want to pick up the mouse and and say computer build transparent aluminum which is well we'll talk about that when you get to Star Trek okay that's fine okay